Kuna ukweli,
Majority ya sisi africans tona low IQ najua inaudh na mtu unaweza pigwa ukisema hivyo lakini ukifika kwenye general knowledge utashangaa
mfano kile kipindi cha tv show - maisha plus vijana walikuwa hawamjui hata Waziri wao wa Elimu , hawajui Jumuia ya Afrika Mashariki ina nchi ngapi ? najua hicho si kipimo cha IQ but kuna issues kibao za kuadress lakini hawajui hata siku ya uhuru wa nchi yao
generally we very poor in invetion ya vitu hata vijana tunawalipa salary kubwa tu tena std seven lakini kazi inabidi uwabembeleze kama watoto hata salary ukiwapa they can't handle it poooombe hadi kuche then you have to stich them and put up POP looh!
Unajua hata wazungu tunawalaumu wanatuibia, viongozi oooh wezi but who put them in place? mbona wakirudi kule kijijini wanashangiliwa na kuchinjiwa ng'ombe? kule Monduli , Uchagani na Bariadi?
We are just as low as you can want to hear issue ni kuwa it is too tough to swallow. Haat mtu kasema fulani atashinda na mtu atakufa, we are just there na tunaamini, eti alibino ni utajiri, tunaamini, and we just kill them! We don't know utajiri upo wapi ? b.ful!, tunakata miti kama tuna kichaa, tunakojoa barabarani kisa hatujengi vyoo? kipindupindu tunakipalilia kinatuuua tunalaumu wengine tu!?
Nachoka kuendelea ...................

TO ADD salt in the wound, can you imagine people like Mugabe being in power for over 25 years, yet the citizen can not make the ends meet, no bread, no medical services, no electricity, no running water, yet when they come for next election they are put into power? Someone going to 80 years yet we let him ruleor to lead us? You may say people are frightened or intimidated whatsoevr or there is stealing of vote but who dopes the stuff -we- and not others. Can you imagine that from indepemdence up to now we can't even make our Mama deliver in a comforatable way but we use mountains of dollars to buy Radar and Presidential jets, send 100 delegates to the enviromental forum while trees are falling like hell? Tanganyika, Nyasa, Victoria, Malagarasi, bahari tele sijui Manyara na hata nyumba ya Mungu yet hatuna runnning water - ndo IQ HIYO???
SISI Wananchi we are just there complaining, wating for GOD's mercy to serve us??????!!

Ukumbuke kuwa viongozi ni product ya uraiani, wana mentality tulionayo wengi, kwao hawaoni taabu watu wakipata taabu, kwani nao walikua humo humo, may be hawaoni tofauti, au wameshakuwa fatigued na usugu wa matatizo,..hebu niambie unaongozaje taifa la wavivu kama Tz,..si-justify uzembe wa viongozi, ila najaribu pia kukaa sehemu yao na kuangalia chini,..deep kwenye roots kuanzia kwa katibu kata mpaka kwa katibu mkuu kiongozi,..woote siasa tu, hakuna anayefanya kazi, hakuna aliye responsible,..hakuna anayethubutu kumwajibisha mwingine,..imagine,..na hapo ndio utapata jibu..kuwa mabadiliko yatakuja kama ka-kizazi kakiwa nullified kakaja kengine-msemo wa Kundy "Mungu atuchukue alete wengine."

jamani naombeni nisaidiwe hicho kipimo cha IQ kinatumia vigezo gani maana nakiona kama usanii hivi.

.mpiga kura,
Kipimo cha IQ kisikusumbue, hiyo ni distraction tu, kina controversy na challenges nyingi kwanza, na huwa kinatumika vibaya tofauti kabisa na matarajio ya waliokianzisha. Sisi tutizame kwenye jambo la msingi, tutafanya nini kujithibitisha kivitendo kuwa sisi si mabozo kama wanavyofikiri?

Wazungu wanasema tu, wapi waligundua matumizi ya chuma??
Mara ngapi walisema ugunduzi wetu, mila zetu ni za kishenzi??
Mara ngapi waliwanyonga mpaka kufa mashujaa wetu na gunduzi zao wakaihamishia kwao wakazifanya eti ni zao??
Hata hivyo mtu Mweusi ana safari ndefu sana kufikia maendeleo!

kujibu swali la .mpiga kura soma haya maelezo niliyotoa kwenye website moja:

IQ stands for intelligence quotient. Supposedly, it is a score that tells one how “bright” a person is compared to other people. The average IQ is by definition 100; scores above 100 indicate a higher than average IQ and scores below 100 indicate a lower that average IQ. Theoretically, scores can range any amount below or above 100, but in practice they do not meaningfully go much below 50 or above 150.
Half of the population have IQ’s of between 90 and 110, while 25% have higher IQ’s and 25% have lower IQ’s:

Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients
First you have IQ SCORE# followed by DESCRIPTION then % of POPULATION in that category

130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 50%
80-89 Low average 16.1%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

Apparently, the IQ gives a good indication of the occupational group that a person will end up in, though not of course the specific occupation. In their book, Know Your Child’s IQ, Glen Wilson and Diana Grylls outline occupations typical of various IQ levels:
140 Top Civil Servants; Professors and Research Scientists.

130 Physicians and Surgeons; Lawyers; Engineers (Civil and Mechanical)

120 School Teachers; Pharmacists; Accountants; Nurses; Stenographers; Managers.

110 Foremen; Clerks; Telephone Operators; Salesmen; Policemen; Electricians.

100+ Machine Operators; Shopkeepers; Butchers; Welders; Sheet Metal Workers.

100- Warehousemen; Carpenters; Cooks and Bakers; Small Farmers; Truck and Van Drivers.

90 Laborers; Gardeners; Upholsterers; Farmhands; Miners; Factory Packers and Sorters.

Be Cautious!
It is necessary to be very cautious in using a descriptive classification of IQ’s. The IQ is, at best, a rough measure of academic intelligence. It certainly would be unscientific to say that an individual with an IQ of 110 is of high average intelligence, while an individual with an IQ of 109 is of only average intelligence. Such a strict classification of intellectual abilities would fail to take account of social elements such as home, school, and community. These elements are not adequately measured by present intelligence tests. Furthermore, it would not take account of the fact that an individual may vary in his test score from one test to another.
Measures of intelligence may be valuable — although the value is often overrated — but much harm can be done by persons who try to classify individuals strictly on the basis of such measures alone. No one should be either alarmed or discouraged if he finds that his IQ is not as high as he might have hoped. Remember that many elements besides IQ contribute to success and happiness.

Mzee Supika umenena.

Hata kama umesoma na una madegree kibao na ulikuwa unafaulu kwa kiwango cha kutisha hadi walimu wanaoitunga mitihani lakini huwezi kuitumia elimu yako kutafutia ufumbuzi wa matatizo madogo madogo yaliyoizunguka jamii yako yako, kufaulu kwako masomo na madegree si mali kitu...Hapo ndipo linapokuja suala la kutokuwa na akili...

Invention inaanzia na vitu vidogo vidogo kwa maendeleo ya jamii yako..Utawazaje kurusha satellite wakati mkulima wako bado anatumia jembe la mkono? Mbaya zaidi anaombea mizimu ili mvua mwaka huo inyeshe
Si tuna wasomi waliosomea kilimo na zana zake, watubunie basi kifaa cha kumfanya mkulima alime kwa wingi bila kuchoka na kuchujika. Tutafanyaje ili huyu mkulima apate maji ya uhakika bila kusubiri mizimu ya mlima kolelo ikubali dua zetu.

Hii ndiyo akili tunayoisema..
Uvumbuzi katika vitu vya kuisaidia jamii.

Tukiweza haya madogo then ndo tuwaze invention ya makubwa. Lakini kama mdau mwingine alivyosema, hatuwezi kuwaza invention wakati hatuji kama kesho tutaiona...tunawaza ku-survive kwanza

nimewasoma halafu mkaniongezea hasira!!!!!!, kwanza sikubali kwamba IQ yetu ni ndogo kulinganisha na hao wengine, sema tu tumezi-direct kuwaza mambo mengine. Ukimchukua mtoto wa miaka 5 pale kijijini anaweza kuhakikisha yeye na wadogo zake wanas-urvive na kutumia akili zake kuwaza how, ukichukua the same kwa hao unaofikiri wana IQ kubwa sidhani kama wanaweza hilo zaidi ya kupiga simu Polisi nakuomba msaada na kuchukuliwa na watu wa social well fare,ambazo kwa wenzetu zipo supa. Ishu niionayo,t unaongongozwa na wabinafsi, wasioangalia maslahi ya wengine na waoga ku-act, na wasomi walishajikatia tamaa na kujifanyia mambo kutokujali. Hivi unaweza jenga nyumba ya billion wakati unaowaongoza wanakaa kwenye nyumba ya nyasi? hata ungejengewa kwa nini usikatae? The same for..., utapangishiwaje nyumba za dola 8000 kwa mwezi kweli, acha wale waliokataa kukaa yile nyumba walizojengewa wanakaa Kempiski, hivi kweli? Mnaagiza MaVOGO ya 2009 spots ili iweje? Labda tuache kusingizia IQ zetu na tuache woga wa kuingia risk na tu act ndo tutajua kama tuna IQ ndogo au vipi.

Hayo unayoyasema GT ndio nayosemaa hatuna akili.

msomi, tena mchumi kukubali kujengewa/kukarabatiwa nyumba kwa 1.4 bil.
mh. ...naye kwa pango la nyumba la dola elfu 10/mwezi.

Sisi wasomi, kutojitokeza ktk mkutano wa MAT.

Sisi kupingana wenyewe kwa wenyewe ktk maslahi yetu wenyewe, specialist vs juniors ktk migomo.

Sisi kutojiandikisha kama wagombea hata wa Serikali za mitaa au hata kupigia kura hayo magarasa/vihiyo ktk chaguzi mbalimbali.

Sisi kuona njia pekee ya kutoka ni thru vioski na sio kugombania haki zetu.

Sisi kujivunia kuwa na secondhand cars na kuona ndio maisha tumeyapatia sbbu tumenunua vi-corolla.

Sisi kutupa taka ovyo kisha kulalamika srikali.

Sisi kuwapokea kwa nderemo na vifijo Richmonduli na vijisenti ktk majimbo yao baada ya kufukuzwa kule mjengoni!

Kuna mengi sana yasiyoingia akilini, mwishoni utajiuliza hwa wasomi wana akili kweli???

Jibu ni so simple, hatuna akili.

Wakuu, nimewasoma vizuri tu n hakika ni mantiki tupu. Fabiani, ukitoa single hapo mistari imepangika ni kutafuta vina tu....(analeta soga huyu kwenye mambo serious).

Wakuu swali?...HIVI INAWEZEKANA IQ IKAPUNGUZWA/IKAATHIRIWA NA KUTOJISHUGHULISHA YAANI KUTOTUMIA MBONGO/AKILI TULIYO NAYO? AU YENYEWE HUWA IPO CONSTANT? (Consider kwamba ina-calculate-iwa kwa vigezo sahihi na sio hivyo mnavyovipiga madongo)

Nimeuliza swali hilo kwa sababu nataka kuamini kuwa iwapo AKILI/MBONGO imelala basi na IQ itakuwa affected!!! Fikiria suala la General knowledge ambalo mmoja wa wachangiaji amelisema, GRADUATE, MTANZANIA (darasa la kwanza hadi Versity Bongo) na ana access na vyombo vya habari anakuuliza eti SHINYANGA unaenda kwa usafiri gani?....mi sijawahi fika Lindi, Mtwara wala Sumbawanga lakini nafahamu aina ya usafiri unaotumika kufika huko.

Sasa mtu kama huyu ambaye hajui hata Jiografia ya Nchi yake atajuaje au atatamanije kujua DNA Cyclase inafanyaje kazi hapo baadae? Maana hatamani kujua miji mikuu ya mikoa ktk nchi yake inaunganishwaje....kisa born in Dar es salam au amekulia DSM.......akiwa kiongozi atatamanije kuishi kwenye nyumba ya bei nafuu ili chenchi isaidie Watanzania wenzake wanaotaabika kwa kukosa huduma mbali mbali za kijamii?

Ukimwambia Mzungu viongozi wetu ni mafisadi ndo maana hatuendelei atakujibu kuwa kwani huyo Kiongozi fisadi aliwekwa na nani Madarakani....si na wewe? na si una nafasi ya kumtoa au huna? Nini unashindwa kumtoa? Hapo mimi jibu huwa sina.....kama "kula" zinaibiwa na wenye inji wenyewe nani atatuponya?

Ila msiwe na wasi wasi.... na matunda yataoneka......KESHENI MKIOMBA......MAANA HAMJUI SIKU WALA SAA ATAKAYOKUJA...........

Dixon, nenda Facebook ukajipime IQ yako kaka kama unataka...LOL...kuna formula yao kule...

Reading and re-reading this thread makes me even more angry,..simply because i have come to one conclussion,..

All you guys are simply superb, the way you analyse our situation with vivid examples from our own country means we all are brainy,..there are many more of these brainy pipo likes, all over the world, in several Universities with Big Names, from Havard to John Hopkins, to yale, From Edinbourgh to Oxford to Leeds, from Karolinska to Bergen, From Tokyo to Osaka, from Makerere to Nairobi and UDSM, there are alot of potential pipo, people of our colour have done things that are there in memory line, and yes, we have inverted things, and yes we have been the shining stars..so why cant we do it with examples in our own countries..the simple reason is we are afraiding of taking risks, we lack opportunities because we dont want to see them, we dont have facilities because we a afraiding of the powerful pipo in the political systems, their powers have overshadowed us,..incapacitate our brainy minds to work..thats why we do it in NASA, and many others..you name it..

I get more angry because i just know that thinking more about it will just drain my energy, because the same white pipo(claiming to have that high iq) will not let go of any potential black genius out of their sight..why??...its a threat to their domination..think about the african engeneers in NASA, TOSHIBA, SONY, APPLE, IBM,..think of the financial advisors to some of the world leaders,..think about proffesors, and horary lectures in those big universities..and yet you tel them they are of low IQ..even those few African students making into those Unis they are never dumb!,..they are amazingly bright..you have more examples than i do..do they seems to have low IQ!..then why we are not moving??...why! Why! Why!

There is only one way...lets get up..do something..it just start from where you are..and the change that you create will spread slowly, and when done massively,..we will show them that they have been way wrong about us all along!!

It starts with you!!

LeBron

GT,
Nadhani argument ya kuwa watoto wadogo wa Afrika wanaweza kulea wadogo zao ukilinganisha na wale wa Marekani au Ulaya haitakuwa na nguvu sana kwani hata wao wangekuwa katika mazingira hayo, ingewabidi kufanya hivyo, tizama zile picha nimetuma za Marekani 1935 - 1939 kisha ulinganishe na sasa. Ni wazi kuwa hali ile ngumu iliwaumiza na waliazimu kuiacha hivyo wakafanya kazi kwa kujituma kujenga Nchi na Taifa lao. Ikiwa wao waliweza na kufanikiwa, ni kwa nini sisi hatuwezi? Kweli tunahitaji muda mrefu kutoka kwenye hilo lindi la umasikini ambao wenzetu walishatoka? Kwa nini hatujifunzi kutoka kwao tukabeba mazuri tukaacha mabaya? Kwa nini tunabishana hata kwa mambo ya msingi kama si ujinga unatusumbua na ndiyo unaoturudisha nyuma + maradhi = umasikini? Wao waweze wana nini sisi tushindwe hatuna nini? au ndiyo maendeleo ni formula huwezi ku-jump mabaya, yanai lazima nasi tupitiemo kila stage?

Halafu nadhani suala hapa ni kama wewe na wengine wote walivyosema, ikiwa zipo akili za kutosha, ni kwa nini watu wanabishana kwenye mambo ya msingi kabisa kama afya, elimu, barabara na mishahara kulingana na kisomo na utendaji kazi? Kama akili ya kutosha ipo, ni kwa nini wanajitetea kuhalalisha uozo wa wizi wa mali ya umma wa watu ambao ni masikini wa kutupwa?

teh teh, Dr. Mor, acha kutilia focus kwenye issue ndogo ambayo yenyewe ni utata mtupu, hata Bill Gates (Microsoft and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundations zinazolea Malaria, TB & HIV and improving Education standards across the world) hakumaliza chuo na kwenye msururu wake wamo Michael Dell (Dell Computers), Steve Jobs (Apple Computers), Simon Cowell (POP and American Idol), Walt Disney, Henry Ford, Milton Hershey (chocolate za Hershey), Frank Lloyd Wright sasa ukijumlisha na ambao si Professors lakini ndiyo wanaongoza huu ulimwengu kwa humanitarian aids utasema IQ zao ni ndogo? Oprah Winfrey, Mother Theresa (RIP), Founders of Kiva.org, wapiganaji wa kundi la Nelson Mandela? na waliokufa je? Steve Biki, Julius K. Nyerere, Anwar Sadat, Kwame Nkrumah, Patrice Lumumba, Samora Machel yaani wote hao utalinganisha IQ zao na za maprofesa wa leo?
Kile kipimo cha IQ cha zamani cha maprofesa ambao enzi zao hawakukubalika Isaac Newton, Einstein, Galileo Galiei nk ndiyo kilikuwa na maana, hivi sasa maprofesa wa ku-compare IQ zao na mambo wanayoyafanya ni wa kuhesabika kwa ule ukweli wa ukweli hata kibaba hawajai, wanapigwa dafrau na makubwa ambayo yamefanywa na college drop outs.
IQ imebaki tu kwenye mitihani ya Kimarekani ya ku-determine nani aingie College na ile mitihani ya SAT na CAT na upupu huo, Mwingireza alishaidharau na kuitupilia kando, Mjapani ndiye hata hajui mnapiga kelele na IQ ya nini badala ya ku-show what you have and what you can do. I think IQ score is nothing if you can't do a damn thing to improve others' lives.

Yaa, nakukumbusha kuhusu chololate za Hershey ili hapo Kijijini ambako mna Kahawa na mawezi kuitengenezea heleri hadi Starbucks ainunue kwa kilo dola 5 halafu yeye anauza kikombe kimoja tu dola 5 uniambie mwenye IQ hapo ni wewe na wanakijiji wenzio walima kahawa au ni mwenye Starbucks? na nimesikia ndugu zako wale wa Nyanda za juu kusini wanafufua kilimo cha kakao, soma gazeti tando la AllAfrica.com utaikuta hii habari, sasa IQ yenu kulima, wao ndo wanakupangieni bei ya kuinunua na kisha wanakuuzieni ikiwa imefungwa tuduuuchu kwenye tukaratasi, ninyi mnabaki na majani na miti yenu, na bado mnaambiwa mnaharibu mazingira na hiyo miti mnayo wakati wao wanapuliza moshi wa kutengeneza hiyo chokoleti... IQ hoyeeeeeeee!

I think it's about time we feel ashamed with our Degrees and Masters and PhD's while we are doing shit! Ukikasirika ni juu yako, still, we are doing SHIT, hata ukijidai unafanya mambo makubwa kazini kwako na kijijini kwenu, still, we are in deep shit, hata Mzungu na Mwasia na Mwarabu wafanya hivyo (japo wapo masikini wengi tu kwao), we are in deep shit nasema. Sasa usinikasirikie mimi, teh teh, fanya kitu kionekane basi ndo hata nijue umekasirika sasa, kubaf zenu zote! mbaffff!
Mi nachukia.

Naona mjadala huu umetawaliwa na wasomi (ma-dkt) mpaka wengine tunaogopa kuchangia sasa. Mada nzuri.

Mimi napenda kusema jambo moja dogo sana katika mjadala huu. Inafahamika kwamba ugunduzi unachochewa hasa na shida - ukosefu wa mahitaji ya vitu vya lazima ambavyo binadamu anavihitaji ili kuendesha maisha yake ya kila siku.

Inasemekana kwamba sisi Waafrika tulikuwa na "bahati mbaya" ya kuwa na raslimali karibu zote tulizozihitaji katika mazingira yetu. Ardhi kubwa, wanyama wa kila aina, madini, bahari, maziwa, mito n.k. Kutokana na wingi na urahisi wa upatikanaji wa vitu hivi, ile chachu ya kuwa wagunduzi kwetu ilififia.

Kwa upande mwingine tazama wenzetu wazungu. Nchi zao kimsingi hazina maliasili nyingi na wakati huo huo idadi yao ilikuwa inaongezeka. Katika hali kama hii utundu wa binadamu ndiyo huchomoza zaidi kama kweli anataka kuendelea kuishi. Hii ndiyo ilikuwa sababu mojawapo iiyowafanya wachacharike na kupiga akili sana. Kwa hivyo wakati sisi tulikuwa tunaendelea kuwinda wanyama wengi waliotuzunguka, wazungu ambao walikuwa hawana wanyama wengi walikuwa wanapiga akili jinsi ya kujiongezea wanyama, kujipatia nyama na maziwa kwa wingi, kuweza kusafiri kwa kasi kwenda sehemu zingine kujipatia chakula n.k. Mimi naamini kwamba ukosefu wa maliasili katika mazingira yao ulikuwa sababu mojawapo iliyowafanya waamke na kuanza kugundua vitu. Ugunduzi huu ndiyo hatimaye uliwezesha kakisiwa kadogo kama Uingereza kuweza kutawala dunia nzima.

Kuna mengi ya kuandika. Ngoja nikome hapa!

Ndugu zangu nawasisitizieni mu "Mwamini Bwana Yesu, nawe utaokoka, wewe pamoja na jamaa yako". Huu ndio msingi wa maisha,sio mambo ya IQ.

Subi umewasha moto! Ila kuokoka si maneno! umepewa vipaji uvitumie na utaokoa nchi na roho yako!
Kweli comments nyingi ni safi kabisa, taabu kubwa ni kwamba wenye IQ ya juu mara nyingi hawapo kwenye uongozi, na wapo wengi. Ufisadi umetawala. mi nadhani utepevu na ubuge maadui! Mtanzania anakaa mno kwenye 'msaada' mpaka kujenga tabia kamili. Mdomo kwa maneno na ulevi. Ubinafsi na kuridhika kwa haraka kwa kuwaachia yote kwa watawala wanaouza hata 'iebo' ya maskini. IQ potentially iko juu kwa wengi: kuna malighafi akilini lakini hawatumii.

Mie nipo Ujerumani, ninasoma hapa na ninamshukuru sana Mungu ambaye amenipa kibali cha kuja kusoma huku na kuona mambo mengi ya wazungu. Ninachoweza kusema hakuna ukweli wowote kuwa waafrika wana IQ ndogo kuliko wazungu, Wazungu ni watu wa kawaida kabisha, tofauti yetu kubwa sisi tunakosa fulsa ambazo mtoto wa kizungu anazipata. Mtoto wa kiafrika ambaye anazaliwa huku na kusoma huku na anapata fulsa sawa wanakuwa na uwezo mkubwa sana na wakati mwingine zaidi ya watoto wakizungu. Kwa nchi kama Tanzania ambayo ninaifahamu vizuri, Hakuna sayansi wa Technologia. Ninaweza kusema sayansi tanzania imekufa kabisa. Siku za nyuma angalau tulikuwa na afadhali sasa hali imekuwa mbaya. sekondari za ufundi zimekufa, sekondari hazina vifaa vya maabara na zingine hata jengo la maabara halipo. Itachukuwa muda mrefu sana kutatua tatizo hili kwana hata walimu wa sayansi katika shule zetu walisoma katika mazingira ya mabovu. Kama Mwalimu hakuelewa atafundisha nini watoto waelewe? wewe fuatilia vyuo vikuu vingapi vina kozi za sayansi au technologia. vyuo vingi vinafundisha kozi za uongozi na maendeleo. HAKUNA MAENDELEO KAMA HAKUNA SAYANSI NA TECKNOLOJIA. hapa ujeruma ukiangalia vyuo vya technology na science huwezi kuamini mambo ambayo yanafanyika kuwapa ujuzi vijana wao. Mfumo wetu wa Elimu ni kikwazo cha maendeleo yetu. Kimsingi hatuwezi fikia maendeleo waliyo fikia wazungu kwa sasa. Kinachonisikitisha hata kile kidogo tulichokuwa nacho kinakufa na hakuna mtu anashituka. Uchumi bila uzalisha katika viwanda na kilimo tutabaki kumtafuta mchawi. mchawi wa maendeleo yetu sio IQ ni mfumo wetu wa elimu na vipaombele vyetu ya maendeleo. Mwisho namaliza kwa kusema Historia ya bara la afrika, biashara ya watumwa ina mchango mkubwa sana katika umasikini wa Afrika na Waafrika wenyewe.